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RE: psychoceramics: Kook-bashing.
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- Subject: RE: psychoceramics: Kook-bashing.
- From: Tom Easton <easton @ terrier1.thomas.edu>
- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:02:44 -0400
- Sender: owner-psychoceramics
See A. K. Dewdney's _Yes We Have No Neutrons_ for a lengthier version of
this objection to SETI (as well as put-downs of a number of other areas
of fringe science).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael T. Richter [SMTP:m--@m--.on.rogers.wave.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 10:46 AM
> To: p--@z--.net
> Subject: psychoceramics: Kook-bashing.
>
> >Now I think I was wrong. Letting people bash science and spew
> nonsense as
> >fact degrades us all and over time gives creedence to the next loonie
> that
> >takes one step further out of reality. Read the Skeptical Inquirer,
>
>
> I do. I learn a lot of useful material from it. And I often laugh at
> it as
> well. Frankly, I think several of the more prominent skeptics rank
> almost
> as highly as our Plutonium-oriented friend in kookery, if in a fashion
> which
> is much more subtle (and, at least, scientifically accurate for the
> most
> part).
>
> For a perfect, subtle example: read _The Demon-Haunted World_ and look
> up
> Sagan's "baloney detection kit" (a kit introduced to me in high school
> by a
> teacher as a "bullshit detection kit"...). In my edition the 'kit is
> on
> page 210. Now apply Sagan's own baloney detection kit to SETI, one of
> Sagan's pet projects. Count the failures. In a quick pass I found:
> 1) Arguments from authority. Most SETI fans, if you challenge their
> ideas,
> will reverentially speak of the Great Carl Sagan and how he supports
> SETI,
> ironically unaware that Carl Sagan Himself (sic) disapproves of this
> very
> argument form.
> 2) Falsifiability. SETI has no negative condition. If, after an
> exhaustive
> search of the sky using existing SETI facilities we don't find
> anything,
> there is SETI II and METI (I think those are the names -- I'll hunt
> further
> if needed) lurking in the wings for even more comprehensive sweep of
> the
> sky. At no point can anyone say "this experiment has failed -- there
> is no
> extra-terrestrial 'radio civilization' in our galaxy". Why? Because
> the
> instant response will be "we just need more sensitive equipment --
> they're
> out there".
>
> Other failures include the following (which I won't expand upon unless
> asked
> to): lacking multiple hypotheses, attachment to personal hypotheses,
> argument from adverse consequences (in extreme cases of SETI-philes),
> special pleading, begging the question.
>
> Given that one of the most prominent (former) skeptics features a
> toolkit
> which overturns his own pet project (obsession?), just how different
> are
> skeptics from our kooks here?
>