Mind you, some of the information is a bit dubious, such as the bit in the Britpop entry which talks about ""shoegazing" bands such as Ride, Stereolab or Oasis".
Well, "Transient Random-Noise Bursts" had its shoegazey bits...
To close the circle, Stereolab are relentless borrowers from and referrers to the works of Cornelius Castoriadis, a contemporary (although not quite fellow traveller) of Debord and Vaneigem. Some of the lyrics are ripped wholesale from the pages of things like the Imaginary Institution of Society. And then you might like to think about COBRA and Phases Group in the context of both surrealism and Stereolab album titles...
I know, Stereolab was the route by which I got interested in situationism.
er... ride were a shoegazer band, i offer "nowhere" as evidence. :-)
oasis i wouldn't classify as shoegazer by any stretch, although "slide away" from the first album is shoegazer-esque.
I know Ride were, though the others weren't by a long shot. Calling them shoegazer is an egregious mistake, on a par with, say, classifying the Sex Pistols as "heavy metal" or the Jesus and Mary Chain as "gothic rock" or something.
We're missing the temporal dimension here. My Bloody Valentine started out "Gothic Rock" and became "Shoegazer". Ride started out "Shoegazer" and became "Britpop". Lush started out "Shoegazer", and became... god knows what. Oasis, I'm sure, wouldn't have existed if not for Shoegazer (it has a lot to answer for) - just listen to the "wall of sound" of Noel's solo version of "Cast no Shadow" on the Tibetan Freedom Concert CD. A bit more production, and that would give Flying Saucer Attack a run for their money.
Lush I'd suggest started out shoegazers and became britpop, eg. "Ciao" w/Jarvis Cocker.
Oasis undoubtedly drew some inspiration from the shoe staring brigade. That's not a bad thing in my book, but then I like Oasis.
They may have, but Oasis were definitely not shoegazer; they were more big dumb rock. The atavistic macho swagger and tendency towards populist anthems at the core of what Oasis were was fundamentally incompatible with the shoegazing aesthetic.
Oasis are about as shoegazer as Cold Chisel.
Nah, Cold Chisel were more intellectual than Oasis (as were the Rolling Stones, to whom many commentators compared them at the time). Oasis are more like Jet or The Datsuns or someone.
hehe... boots getting stuck in here.
oasis never had any cultural pretensions, just fucking great songs. so i find this reactionary cringing about their "lack of culture" quite amusing. i'm sure noel is not losing sleep over a lack of "intellectual depth" in his musical repertoire.
there's no comparison to jet, datsuns et al. they simply don't have the songs or the singer. oasis were huge for a very good reason: they had the songs.
i'm not sure i buy into the cold chisel intellectual revisionism either... but there you go, each to their own.
Cold Chisel: The most intellectual thing ever to come out of Elizabeth.
their grasp of hegelian dialectic is something else!
The Largs Pier Hotel and the Salons of Enlightenment Europe. Actually, the Largs Pier Hotel probably smelled a lot less and not as many cases of syphilis.
Cold Chisel aren't intellectuals per se, but their songs aren't as knuckle-draggingly dumb as Oasis'. If anything, Oasis are anti-intellectual; in their worldview, intellectualism is the sign of a wanker. (See also: Damon Albarn; mind you, he's a pseudo-intellectual wanker, but I digress.)
Well, Cold Chisel had a decent songwrite in Don Walker, which is a plus... Of course, that plus was largely sandpapered down to nothing by Barnesy.
what do you base the assertion that oasis are "anti-intellectual" on? lyrics? chord progressions? if so, i don't see it personally...
you may not like it, but they're cleverly written songs with a universalist bent to the lyrics that push a lot of buttons... noel is far, far, far from stupid.
Their tendency to the lowest common denominator, and eschewal of anything above that as wankery. Thematically, their music is like a Murdoch tabloid; I'm sure the Herald-Sun has intelligent people writing for it, but that doesn't make it an intelligent paper.
Then there's the Noel vs. Liam arguments.
Btw, who here has seen Live Forever?
wikipedia is a reasonably good starting point for info. you can always correct the britpop entry.