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psychoceramics: robots, debt, war
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- Subject: psychoceramics: robots, debt, war
- From: Ken Alexander <kalex @ eecs.umich.edu>
- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:28:40 -0400 (EDT)
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Attempting to find a point to this rant is straining my
reading comprehension abilities, but it seems to be warning
"The evil robots are coming! The evil robots are coming!"
This was posted from the UK to mi.misc, a group for miscellaneous
stuff that is supposed to relate to the USA state of Michigan.
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From: john @ nine7.demon.co.uk
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Nat' debt induced war
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:51:14 GMT
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I've made this small note, warning of debt induced war and its causes, 10's
of years in the future as off shore economy challenges democratic nations.
I made it from research after dreams dreamt some years ago, especially after
a dream that had:- a 3 man military team doing a mission cutting electronic
money cables by the side of rail lines + robots terrorising military
listening stations where the soldiers showed me terrible robots with radar.
Some robots were as small as Jewellery and could poison the brain like insects.
I first distributed in the UK here, in paper form, "Cake and Cable Shutdown":-
DANGER-robotics could destroy democracy for the unemployable.
Unions & democracy slow the development of automation in order to
maintain effective employment training for adaptation to automation
for everyone. But eventually remote controlled robotics may
develop without this slowing in space and at sea.
-Space-lawless, tactless, rent & mortgage less, wide access
possibilities, micro gravity & solar watts, corrosion & bug less.
-Robots-able to work where man has difficulty doing work and still
evolving with the discoveries of physics.
-Cabled money-replacing cash with credit card sort and going
through all on one metropolitan ring cables that are easy to cut.
The owners of these new robots in satellites and automated island
ships, may eventually cut the cables of our cabled money to stop
our democracy or our unemployed interfering with their access to
(But they always have worst competitors who are more dictator like
so you will have to choose who of the owners your work in total helps.)
earth resources. Trouble makers may become slaves in the landfills
gathering shiny metal with robot slave drivers. All bit like the
American government shutdown of 1995 that was like a bank
repossessing because of government default on repayment of nat' debt.
how can we be safe?
-Be aware of incidents of at sea/space and discuss this with
others. (while average pay grows & robots smarter/cheaper on goes)
-Develop our careers for care and assessment jobs that will always
be needed to guide machines to human interest.
-Learn to feed off of nature efficiently in an emergency even on
the move to avoid capture. Learning to eat weeds/trees and ecology
Is probably the majorities best backup as doubt of the future grows
with robotics. There is still much room yet to use calories even
more efficiently for survival emergency method research.
-Avoid crime as it leads too violent criminals and authorities.
Victors & losers of the future maybe are sending warnings into our
dreams, so that you might decipher a message too.
ELABORATION ON THIS:-
To look at a more everyday smaller version of this war between the rich
off shore investors and those who have all invested in nations with
democracy for the common people, look at businesses.
Some get into debt voluntarily or less so, but they often for various
reasons hold onto their employees and explore the employee potential as a
fundamental part of business.
But always plans are made for emergency business difficulties and these
plans include downsizing either by selling the business to brokers who like
repomen ruthlessly take over or the management themselves downsize.
So often the victims are taken by surprise at events, because they don't
plan aswell and aren't aswell informed.
The security of contracts with employees becomes void more or less
immediately like a shutdown for reorganisation.
This could happen to whole democracies one day that owe enormous moneys to
banks who have these same business strategies.
But presently democracies are wealthier than the banks and their off shore
investments, but for how long?.
PERSONALITIES OF THE MOST HIGH?
Over the years ahead you will decide what sort of people to support with the
total of your lives work.
It will be futile to use fascist and nazi ways of preventing the democratic
economies from getting into worse debt as people realise that violence is just
unacceptable in such a dangerous technological age.
People feel today that the buster attitude to solve national problems is to
childish for the unpleasantries violence in a hi-tech world would bring.
The new machines do not only leave behind only the complex jobs, they also
leave behind the jobs that require human surveillance due to the dangers of
leaving a machine in charge to someone.
These critical jobs don't only attend to the old dangers of
nature but also to the new dangers of modern life plus the ones of just living
longer and more inherited defects.
So the paying jobs will demand a more considerate type of person, but systems
for guiding and testing people who do them, may occasionally lag the need.
People would prefer to ignore the off shore competition and just borrow more
whilst hoping that democracies will keep on looking out for each other.
The persons in power will have to be aware of these likely conflicts and of the
need to protect the only real home of life-this planet, against the growth
intentions of everyone in the human population.
Indeed to repossess the earth from the common people may have the ecological
consideration behind it aswell as the economic one.
Putting aside the terrorists and the variety of persons involved it appears
that growth must continue as common people must adapt to the ceaseless growth
of machines that continue to make redundant sources of income one way or
another.
The question is what sort of people in power of business and democracy
can help people manage?
It seems to come down to reassuring both human and the ecology life as machines
change the problems.
I guess most are aware of the ecological change, that previously happened only
over geological time scales but how aware are people of the genetic problems
that are being inherited in this cushy tech served lifestyle?
Unless we approach these new problems with openness, both opportunity of work
to cope with them and the prevention of victims of the problems will get
missed.
A hitech world demands a respect for hitech understanding of the
problems such as inherited learning difficulty troubles.
But some have little faith in human personalities adapting to hitech demands,
such is human nature.
And who are the big investors that change our work chances?
DON'T MISUNDERSTAND HOW BAD ROBOTS WILL BE>
I'm an electronics repair specialist and being in the trade I feel I
understand how robots will come to be in our lives.
They are built with many of the same discoveries that made the discovery of
atomic explosions possible (Physasist Dr. Degaris says computers the size of
moons are now pheasable and will be smarter than us www.hip.atr.co.jp/~degaris/)
The principal milestone to watch for is that robots in car
factories will be able to make different models of car from the same production
line and be able to make prototypes off of it too.
There after the factory mainframes which control the robots will take
about 10 years to be cheap & small enough for anything involving labour.
Robots being key change to the new military and economy.
On the moon the Japanese will have robots drilling for resources and even
building some things, whilst the Americans consider robotic satellites to cut
costs of manned missions.
It seems the possibilities for artificial life are not only really becoming
possible but will have very very attractive abilities compared to life itself
and thus be likely to be unstoppable like a river that can only be redirected at
best (see "MARCH OF THE MACHINES" Kevin Warwick www.cyber.reading.ac.uk/).
Military robots aren't seen often but aren't to be ignored.
The pattern of supply equipment of oil etc. being guarded by guards with hitech
military equipment against trespassers is a growing trend.
Robotics is being used militarily by the Israeli's in the form of forward
observers and drones.
I expect by now surgery performing robots is becoming common to surgical
theatres as well as war theatres as in 1989 I saw a prototype on TV.
Nano robots are being researched but bugs and small remote controlled
devices like the toy cars are probably used by security forces as microsoldiers.
Intelligent moving mines at sea are available for use, by most hi-tech
countries and some say some already sit on the sea bed awaiting orders.
The US have smart bombs that can see the difference between a tank and a tent
for themselves.
The British have controlled explosion robots.
That have an arm, on a pair of caterpillar tracks and managed by a man in
another van.
It is armed with a rifle and a pile of explosive.
I saw it on the news, shoot a car window, then enter the car through the hole,
then blow up the car and the car bomb, whilst it was still inside.
The car collapsed like a party balloon, but the robot looked ungrazed even.
Needless to say this was northern Ireland.
Note the recent book that elucidates the tide of Robotics and the likely
abilities of them - "March of the Machines" by Warrick, Kevin who is the top
professor of Cybernetics at the University of Reading in the south of England.
He says a computer as inteligant as a human is likly in a decade but may develop
unpredicted behaviours more easily than the non neural net types like our PC's.
THE PREDICTION BRIEF:-
The scenario is where society is maintained by a surplus of
workers, some willing to volunteer even. (www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3982/)
The signs of government borrowing and economic decline having sneaked
slowly into everyday life, with many types of crime being patched over with
new security gadgets such as cameras and secure enclaves.
Occasionally the tv will show the rich on temporary islands and cruise ships
but otherwise little sign of the tremendous growth of off shore economies
deliberately.
Then a mixture of events causes markets to crash as they have before and
as society is no longer the bread maker of the economy by this time, repo'
organisations are called in with no warning to recycle the government
maintained infrastructure of the masses.
Like a fuse blowing on an expendable but recyclable part of a machine system
rather than one that can never be allowed to go wrong.
By cutting the cables of electronic money, that run along the railways and
leaving the rich in their well guarded homes with satellite links for their
electronic money.
Plus guards are used to protect pipelines and hunt any
organised refugees like in Chetchnia and with the Kurds in Iraq.
SURVIVAL ON THE RUN (see misc.survivalism + alt.survival)
If you are not protected by the new satellite managed new world order then the
question is how best to survive with guard robots hunting every sign of
organised and sick refugees?
Their priority being to prevent terrorism and epidemics of disease.
I expect that a repossession organisation would wish to prevent disease
and the old and young may be given preventative medical treatment but
may be impounded and given work recycling rubbish from landfills with little
social segregation from hard criminals.
No settling down to grow crops, no livestock or hunting as any sign of
developing technologies of resistance would attract attention.
Living off things that one passes is the way left.
Carrying seeds like the old sages or using modern biology somehow to utilise
what nature provides but with little tools.
Most of the land would become overgrown again as biodiverstity is more
beneficial than bothering to cutdown everything to catch refugees.
Possibly experimenting on refugees may be legal also.
So the sooner we steer medicine from having to test stuff on animals the better.
I think already the guards of pipelines in Iraq probably watch the sick
unemployable Iraqi's with gulf war syndromes from the bio/chem/radioactive
weapons of the gulf war and other events as a big experiment on the human
biology.
Making the abductions of the X-files look small feed, though the conspiracy
seems real today, after the way the gulf war vet syndromes sufferers have been
turned away for so long after the war.
For some couples avoiding capture the ability to suck juice from river reeds
and even tree resin, whilst using a canoe as both tent and sledge, is the
sort of skills to search for.
Like Eskimos and Aborigines of the desert have had but with science aswell.
Even if you never use your survival knowledge, it is good heritage for your own
folks, so keep on learning.
FICTIONAL MEDIA ON THESE IDEAS
I have also noted relevant productions Bladerunner, Neuromancer, Space above
& beyond, Alien, Independence day, and numerous 1984 productions such as
Repoman & Terminator in film & music such as Eliminator by ZZtop.
I reckon Total Recall and Dune say lots about resourses between planets.
Tricky, White Zombie, massive attack and possibly M people seem to have
similar ideas in recent music.
THE 4 PROBLEMS ON THE ROAD TO SPACE:-
-Who to trust with the growing power of technology.(i.e. in medicine.)
-Who to employ with redundancy catching out people so often.(i.e. in robots.)
-How to protect the earth as the only known reliable arc of life, whilst
requiring space for jobs from growth.(i.e. in costly outer space access.)
-How to quell peoples aggressive drive in all sorts of competition until
we can choose our own way in space entirely individually.(i.e. in mating race.)
IDEAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IDEAS that are useful, profitable and don't have side effects that hurt life,
needed to employ as many as possible, including the handy capped, the old and
those with learning difficulty.
If old people can have children later and later then they should work later and
later in age.
Schools milling out "finished workers" not only able to work but able to adapt
to new competition and machines in the trade.
Obviously a few are unfinished but how should be more elucidated on.
MIT should advize industry workers as to likely changes as well as industry in
general as some workers don't seem to adapt adequately whilst others perpetually
worry and create an anxious ambience (oh for the quite of space or the moon).
So there is an Incept date for a new machine and one for the on going of work
lifetime which is just one aspect of this maze of hatchery.
OR else democracy may not compete with offshore economy's with
lower overheads-VIVA LA DEMOCRACY.
YES Questions!!!!
It will be important to explain these frequently asked questions:-
1. How can a consumer less society, still mean an economy can exist?
This assumes a minority consumer group can't be nearly all the power and
economy again as before under kings of history, so history has the experience
even for a robot affected world.
2. How can cutting cables make a difference when there are so many
communication cables that could be used to maintain electronic commerce?
But I point out that only a few need be cut to cut the electric power and that
oneday electric power companies that have comm's cables aswell like Energis will
have most of the trunk lines next to these few crucial power cables and
leaving only satellite connection as a real option.
Plus when Energis and other power companies start laying ground cables of the
frozen superconducting type there costs will go down as the weather elements
are removed from the costs.
These would probably run along the train lines as the cost of digging and
accessing the cable tunnels and pipes would be less plus the trains use allot of
electricity aswell.
--
Dr Biosicfix (Medicine tinker) (Survivalist) (Robot tamer) (A road to space)
*?*?*?*?Us neurons, don't KNOW that much, period?*?*?*
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